Outdoor Kitchen Pics

[Mbella]

I have attached a few pics of a recently completed outdoor kitchen. The pavers are travertine, the tile polished travertine, the veneer Eldorado (Latana Cliffstone) stone and the appliances Cal Flame.

[cgland]

Nice work Mike!

Chris

[gary1328]

Mbella--Great Job.

[kootoomootoo]

Ok what looks like it was spilled all over the floor>?

[cgland]

Looks like he spilled a brew. LOL!

Chris

[Mbella]

Ok what looks like it was spilled all over the floor>?

Chris, are you crazy? I would never waste that much beer.

Kootoo, we had a party for my wife's birthday and the keg tub remained there for like two weeks. I moved it to take the pics and water spilled.

[ScottSears]

Mike,

The job came out great. As always any photos of jobs you do with our travertine would be greatly appreciated. If your customers do not mind us using them we will add them to our stock of photos for the web site and advertising pieces.

Thanks for using our product,

Scott
ssears@enter.net

[GDK]

Nice work......my only question is..isn't that heater too close to the house?

[Mbella]

Nice work......my only question is..isn't that heater too close to the house?

It's on wheels...

[kootoomootoo]

Can we see a pic of the steps..

[Mbella]

Kootoo, here you go........

[kootoomootoo]

wanted a finished one...

[Mbella]

wanted a finished one...


The first pic is of the steps after they were finished. If you wanted one of the steps within the finished patio, you should have said so.

Let me see if I have one on the computer.

[GDK]

It's on wheels...

ohh gotcha

[yardpro]

nice....

the travertine tile.. i assume it is a wet lay?

[Mbella]

nice....

the travertine tile.. i assume it is a wet lay?

Steven, the tile on the countertop is wet laid.

[Mbella]

Steven, the tile on the countertop is wet laid.

I should have added earlier, the bar top is not finished. We will be finishing in the spring.

[4seasons]

Do you have any construction pics of the bartop?

[custom patios]

very nice Mike. i see a sink. i have a few ? about the water lines. are they insulated, or required to be. where did you tap into the house. are the lines on top of footer and thru cmu wall.i have a bunch more ? but i'll start there.
thanx, steve. also, is that a refrigerator or storage.

[mpickel]

I should have added earlier, the bar top is not finished. We will be finishing in the spring.

It looks great. This was my only question. It didn't look like there was a bar top, so I was curious as to why the kitchen was inset instead of pushed out towards the edge. It looked like it broke up the space awkwardly, but since there will be a bar top never mind.

[SCgreenscapes]

is that sealer i see on the fridge or just some water? My island person warned me what sealer will do to stainless. Seeing that made me think of that discussion.

[Mbella]

is that sealer i see on the fridge or just some water? My island person warned me what sealer will do to stainless. Seeing that made me think of that discussion.

Water. We aren't that sloppy!

[Mbella]

very nice Mike. i see a sink. i have a few ? about the water lines. are they insulated, or required to be. where did you tap into the house. are the lines on top of footer and thru cmu wall.i have a bunch more ? but i'll start there.
thanx, steve. also, is that a refrigerator or storage.

Steve, the water lines are Pex lines. Approx. 2 feet of the foundation was exposed. We tapped into the house through the exposed foundation where the countertop pedestal meets the house. None of the utilities (water lines, gas lines, electric) are buried in the footer.

One of the components in the pics is a refridgerator. It is the one to the left of the grill.

[lawnkid]

Couple questions here as well if you don't mind. What is composed of the stair foundation? I see the one course of block but can't tell what's in between the first tread and the block. What are the wall blocks sitting on and is that the only course or did you go several feet down? And how are the treads connected to each other? Thank you. That job looks real nice.

[Mbella]

Couple questions here as well if you don't mind. What is composed of the stair foundation? I see the one course of block but can't tell what's in between the first tread and the block. What are the wall blocks sitting on and is that the only course or did you go several feet down? And how are the treads connected to each other? Thank you. That job looks real nice.

There is nothing between the block and the tread. The wall blocks are sitting on approx. 8' of clean stone (overdig) and approx. 6" modified aggregate.

Weight holds the treads in place.

[mckeeland]

Mike did you put that kitchen on a footing below frost or just on a rat slab?

[Mbella]

Mike did you put that kitchen on a footing below frost or just on a rat slab?


Footer below the frost line and pinned to the house foundation.

[mckeeland]

well that kitchen is not going anywhere. i am wondering about these new modular kitchen units if they need a footing or not. they reps say no, but we all know how much they know about installing their own products. i would think the very least you need to build them on a rat slab so that if it does heave it comes up as one unit, otherwise the counter top could crack.

[Mbella]

well that kitchen is not going anywhere. i am wondering about these new modular kitchen units if they need a footing or not. they reps say no, but we all know how much they know about installing their own products. i would think the very least you need to build them on a rat slab so that if it does heave it comes up as one unit, otherwise the counter top could crack.


Jay, would a typical "rat slab" be concrete?

[mckeeland]

yes, its probably a local term that i assume everyone knows. its a concrete slab that is poured, screeded and left to dry with a rough finish. it is only 3.5"-4" thick. however you could go 6" or better to give it some weight.

[Mbella]

yes, its probably a local term that i assume everyone knows. its a concrete slab that is poured, screeded and left to dry with a rough finish. it is only 3.5"-4" thick. however you could go 6" or better to give it some weight.

I guess that's better than nothing, but I would be concerned that it would crack with movement and begin to breakdown.

[mckeeland]

i am curious to see what ep henry recommends. its the same as when the kitchens are built out of SRW. it will move as well but not as one unit though.

[Mbella]

i am curious to see what ep henry recommends. its the same as when the kitchens are built out of SRW. it will move as well but not as one unit though.

That really limits how you can dress up the kitchen....for example..no tile, veneer.

[mckeeland]

thats the thing is they are selling these to be veneered with counter tops and everything. the veneer should be fine, i would still put metal lath over it though. it is no different than a veneer over a wood framing, they are both going to move.
http://www.stoneagefireplaces.com/kitchens.html

[Mbella]

thats the thing is they are selling these to be veneered with counter tops and everything. the veneer should be fine, i would still put metal lath over it though. it is no different than a veneer over a wood framing, they are both going to move.
http://www.stoneagefireplaces.com/kitchens.html

Where have you seen veneer over wood framing which wasn't ultimately resting on a footer?

[bigvictu]

mbella- Just a few questions about the steps meeting code. 1- What are the requirements for handrails? Here anything over a foot high needs them. 2-Do you have any landing requirements as to the depth of the first step out from the house? Here we need 30" deep. That is a real nice job, is the stone veneer natural or manmade? Oh and for the outdoor kitchen, why not place it at the outside edge of the patio? It seems like it created a "dead space" to the side of it. Great looking work!

[Mbella]

mbella- Just a few questions about the steps meeting code. 1- What are the requirements for handrails? Here anything over a foot high needs them. 2-Do you have any landing requirements as to the depth of the first step out from the house? Here we need 30" deep. That is a real nice job, is the stone veneer natural or manmade? Oh and for the outdoor kitchen, why not place it at the outside edge of the patio? It seems like it created a "dead space" to the side of it. Great looking work!


Vic, in that township, four risers, or more and a handrail is required. Veneer is man made. That space is there in order to leave room for bar stools. Bar top not installed in pics.

[lawnkid]

Footer below the frost line and pinned to the house foundation.

I'm confused. By foundation do you mean basement walls or house footer assuming there is a basement or is this house on a pad? You went 10 feet down and tied into the house footer with I'm assuming some rebar? What length rods of rebar did you use to tie it in to the foundation.

[Mbella]

I'm confused. By foundation do you mean basement walls or house footer assuming there is a basement or is this house on a pad? You went 10 feet down and tied into the house footer with I'm assuming some rebar? What length rods of rebar did you use to tie it in to the foundation.


Basement walls. There is a basement. We pinned into the basement walls at approx. 3-4' below the top of the walls. We used 3/8" rebar approx. 2'long.

[Hokie84]

Mike,

I will be installing an outdoor kitchen this spring, very simular design to the one you pictured. My first one; I am doing it at my house for the experience. Do you have any construction pictures? I am planning on constructing using concrete block on a footer, and veneering with cultured stone. But, I am also looking into the modular units from Stoneage. Do you have any suggestion or pointers that would by helpfull for a first timer? Also, what are the options for counter tops?
Thanks for any help

[JZap]

We've had a couple meetings this week to learn more about the stoneage modular kitchen and also the applicance packages. We hooked up with Reico down at MAHTS. They have many packages and blueprints for kitchens including applicances, access doors and add-on's galore. We buy the modular sections from our distributor who now has to buy them through EP. They have pricing for nice countertops at different price levels. I think this is going to be very popular if the costs can get cut down a little. We're wondering if these 3' x 3' sections of concrete are going to be difficult to manuever into place and not save much time at all? At MAHTS, they just brown coated the slabs then veneered, no lath. It's like a new cinder block install.
I didn't see this brought up, but no one mentioned the option of pouring a slab and building a frame with steel studs, concrete board, mud the seams, brown coat and veneer. You have to concrete board the insides as well. This method takes a little longer, but offer the ability to tile as well.

[Mbella]

Mike,

I will be installing an outdoor kitchen this spring, very simular design to the one you pictured. My first one; I am doing it at my house for the experience. Do you have any construction pictures? I am planning on constructing using concrete block on a footer, and veneering with cultured stone. But, I am also looking into the modular units from Stoneage. Do you have any suggestion or pointers that would by helpfull for a first timer? Also, what are the options for counter tops?
Thanks for any help


The mods are new to me, never used one, so I can't say much about that. The kitchen in the pics was built on a concrete footer and framed out of block.

In my opinion, there are two very important details. The first, make sure the layout flows. IOW, make sure the layout is conducive to how the preparation, grilling and serving process would progress during a cookout. Secondly, make sure the component dimensions are correct.

Options for countertops are slab and tile.

[pavermantn]

have you looked it the OLP products at John Deere Landscapes? They are a composit masory product that are a real labor saver. Their website is: www.bolp.com. They have different moduals to do any kind of kitchen imaginable. You can install any brand of components, veneers, and top you want. I would recomend them.

[Hokie84]

MBella,
I know this is an old thread, but I have been slowly working on an outdoor kitchen at my place since spring. I have used the OLP modular unit and Eldorado venner. After seeing how nice yours turned out, I decided on travertine for the counter top. You said it was wet laid. Do you just use the Type S mortar and grout like was used with the veneer, or is there another product.
A mason friend of mine suggested just using the glue we use for wall caps, and then grouting. Is this reasonable?

[Mbella]

We used the Schluter-Ditra system for that application. Modified thinset under the Schluter and Unmodified thinset between the Schluter and tile.

[Mark]

Mike what's a schluter system? I have heard of it...is it drainage????

[MuirView Design]

It's an uncoupling membrane. It's functions are uncoupling, waterproofing, vapor management, and support/load distrubution. It's designed to provide the transition between hardwood and tile. (I have the literature right in front of me)

Also www.schluter.com is their website.

[Mbella]

Mark, it’s a polyethylene membrane undrerlayment with a fleeced underside to aid in bonding to the substrate.

I use it in exterior applications where tile is to be installed for a kitchen countertop.

Yeah, what Adam said too (didn't see your response Adam).